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“Hoeing on The Front Lines”: Mandii and Weezy are Making Whoreible Decisions

Intro and Interview by Em Odesser. Photographed by Jess Pettway for Salty

At nine pm on a Thursday, most people are starting to wind down for the night. But Mandii B & WeezyWTF, the two forces behind the weekly podcast WHOREible Decisions, aren’t done with their days just yet. Besides running their cult-favorite show, where they talk about their dating and sex lives in the explicit detail usually reserved for invisible-ink-settings on iMessage, they also both work corporate jobs. As we settle down to have a chat, there’s the familiar background noise of wine being poured, vapes being hit, and friends coming in and out of their rooms. Before we’ve finished discussing the first question, I already feel like these women are in my friends — just like every other WHOREible Decisions listener does.

WHOREible Decisions is a fairly new podcast that just hit it’s second birthday (it’s a Pisces!), but thanks to the charisma, excitement, and honesty that Mandii and Weezy bring to each hour-long episode, it’s wildly beloved. They’re in the middle of a national tour and gearing up for their Vice LIVE stint to premiere — it’s clear that this is just the tip of the iceberg for the duo. The hour goes by and we discuss their radical transparency, why it’s so important for a black demographic to have these resources, and, oh yeah, the time Weezy drank breast milk from the source in front of three hundred people.

Hi Mandii and Weezy! Thanks for being the Salty Cover stars. Can you brief us on how you met? How did WHOREible Decisions begin?

Weezy: Well, we know each other from Orlando. When we were teenagers, we used to hang out, and we reconvened years later in New York when we found out that we were relatively the same way we were back then. We were still, you know, dating around, being silly, but we ultimately had this mature life now. I asked Mandii to do this podcast with me. She had been in this media-industry space before and this is my first time doing something like this. It came together pretty well.

Mandii: Weezy always lets everyone know, she’s like, “if anyone is a bigger hoe than me, it’s you, so I thought it would be perfect for us to do a show together, around us openly discussing sex.”

I think we’re both very transparent in who we are and what we do, and we kinda don’t give a fuck about what anyone has to say about it. It worked out.

– Mandii

As for the name, we got together for dinner, which I owed her because I lost a bet with her about not fucking a guy that I was sure she was going to fuck, and she came in with the idea of the name “WHOREible”. As we sat there, talking about it, I was like, “let’s add another word to that”. I came up with the “decisions” part – we’ve been 50/50 from the very beginning.

Weezy: I think that main premise of the word is where I’ve struggled. I didn’t really like that people would call us whores at first, I didn’t really understand what it meant. But now, when we’ve asked other people you know “what is a hoe?” or “when you think of a hoe, what does it mean to you?”, they really don’t have a cohesive answer. And so I think WHOREible is really whatever you want it to be. You know some people think they’re WHOREible because they did doggy style, and you know, to me, WHOREible is like, a gangbang… everybody has their different limits.

Salty: You’ve mentioned the experience of dealing with corporate life and a sex podcast. I kind of imagine you having to do the Clark Kent/Superman transformation – can you talk about that dichotomy?

Weezy: It’s weird because when I excelled in my career is when it became the hardest. I used to work for a more relaxed company with startup vibes, but now I’m in an enterprise, in a very high-level tech role. I have to wear a suit every day. They don’t even know I have tattoos. They also recently hired a new black girl, and she was staring at me when she came in. I was like, “Oh shit, she knows exactly who I am”. Anytime someone black walks in our job, I’m like “oh shit, they know me.”

Mandii: I just recently opened up to my team about what I do, because I’m like, listen y’all, there’s only so many times I can say “I have an appointment.” It reflected in my reviews my first quarter there. I was open about it. I was like, “Listen I don’t know if y’all know, but I’m on tour right now. So there’s going to be certain Fridays I’m going to have to leave early because I’m catching a flight out of town.” And then I went to a Diversity and Inclusivity event for my company and a partner who’s been with the firm for 14 years came up and was like “I’m trying not to fangirl right now.” And so it’s been really odd with it crossing over. Weezy’s in tech and I’m in finance and accounting, so we’re also in very conservative markets, I would say. And it’s definitely been a challenge for the both of us with wanting to not only continue the success and growth of the podcast but also to remain grounded and remember that we have bills and we’re not going to put everything into the podcast.

Salty: I think one of the reasons why so many people love listening to the podcast is the way you talk about everything sex-related with, what it seems like, no shame. And I feel like that’s something that we don’t normally get to hear. Can you talk about that?

Mandii: It’s been a process. When Weezy and I started the podcast, we were both transparent and confident in what we did. But there were still certain topics I never thought we would have discussed. I would have never thought that Weezy and I would have opened up about abortion. I would have never thought that I would admit to enjoying threesomes with two men — initially, I specifically didn’t want to talk about that! Even pegging!

I knew we would be catering to a more black demographic who weren’t as kinky, so I told Weezy, “Oh my God, I don’t want to bring up pegging for at least the first five episodes! Don’t bring it up! We’re going to scare everybody away!” But that was literally my thing in the first episode. Weezy was just like “you know, we’re Pega-sisters”. Through her opening up, I opened up, and I think vice versa. We definitely both said things that I don’t think we would have ever thought we would.

Weezy: Speaking of pegging — I had small encounters with it but I didn’t know what it was, until Broad City. And so whenever I would watch Broad City I was like “Oh my god, bro! This is me, but Black!” I’m a Black Jew and seeing these young, broke, girls in New York make funny content about sex was amazing.

I don’t even know if I’ve ever said that about our podcast, but I do sometimes feel like we’re a more black Broad City.

Weezy

Salty: What other resources did you use to unlearn all the stigma? Was it a process of reading and watching, or just through conversations and experiences?

Mandii: Well, if you listen to episodes maybe, one through forty-five, you can hear how I  thought feet were absolutely the most disgusting thing ever. But now, in episode one hundred, I’m literally giving foot massages! I’m playing with feet around my asshole. Had it not been for our conversations, I may have missed genuinely learning about myself.

Weezy and I say all the time, we’re not sexperts. We’re two women who are learning about ourselves and our bodies at the same time that anyone else would. We didn’t go to school for this shit — it’s literally us sharing our experiences as we learn about our bodies and ourselves.

I mean Weezy opened up about having anal sex for the first time on the show — or really just the head! Make sure you put that it doesn’t really count, because it wasn’t the whole thing anyway. [laughs]

Weezy: I’m working my way up. [laughs]

I think the main thing that has brought us success is a lot of the stories that we share are so vulnerable. Sometimes I’ve said something on the podcast and regretted it because I felt like it was too much.

Weezy: One time, at one of our events, this girl asked us a question. She was kind of living an ulterior life because she couldn’t tell her friends about her sex life, and she didn’t know who to go to when she was about to have freaky sex. She was like, “everyone talks about a buddy system and I can’t have that” and legit, in the middle of the fucking room, three girls just were like, “okay, you can text me! DM me your location” Now they have an Instagram group chat where the girl can send addresses of where she’s going. That is how the followers have joined together and it’s amazing because they all have this thing in common, right?

We also have people who write us as well that say they may have been homophobic or might have been misusing slurs before listening. I love that the show helps people just respect different genders and cultures and feel more comfortable.

Salty: Do you think that these kinds of conversations are replacing traditional sex ed, or at least acting as a supplement?

Mandii: I definitely agree with that, but I would only say specifically in the Black space and the African-American space. When we were growing up, we had Talk Sex With Sue Johanson, we had all of these, maybe, older go-tos for sex talk, but we didn’t have anyone who was relatable.  Now we can change that. We focus on the black community because there is so much stigma towards being open, just dating back through culture.

Weezy: We’ve rarely had people on our show that aren’t people of color, so when they are, they have to be really fucking special. Like, “it’s a big deal that you and your caucasity is sitting there”. When we were looking to interview a guy who had been pegged, we found a white Australian guy, but Mandii was like,  “No, Because the first guy we have on has to be a black guy or they’re going to say it’s White People Shit again, WPS.” We bring it onto the show when it comes to things like golden showers. “Oh, you guys thought this was WPS but nope!” That’s been really really fun.

It’s important for us, with this show, to show that these topics are not just White People Shit. People of color are also open to polyamory and open relationships and pissing and dom play and sub play and all of these different things that we may look at and only be able to view white people doing, even in porn!

Mandii

A lot of these things are not showcased with Black porn. It’s important for us to bring people to the show to say “yeah, I’m Black as fuck and this is what I do.” And this is not a color thing, it’s not a gender thing, even, it’s people genuinely enjoying what turns them on. King Noire said it well: there’s nothing wrong with it as long as you’re not fucking children or hurting anyone.

Weezy: Yeah, as long as you’re not hurting people, animals or kids.

Salty: How have your topics and subjects evolved over the course of the podcast?

Mandii: It’s funny — when we first started, we’d get a lot of messages saying “it’s just sex. How are you going to do 100 episodes? There’s only so much you can talk about”, but Weezy literally has a list of topics and guests and conversations we have yet to have because we just haven’t found people. The ideas and conversations we can have around this are almost infinite at this point.

Salty: Do you guys ever feel like, oh my god, I have to do crazy shit for the podcast? Like I can’t just have like a quiet night in, I have to like go do something wild.

Weezy: Not with going out, but with sex, I’ve been like I have to spice this shit up. I had an experience recently.

I went to a Mardi Gras celebration and got wasted with this guy I’ve been seeing, and because we were staying on Bourbon street, we had to go to four different Walgreens because they were all sold out of Plan B. And I was like “Yo this is perfect content!”

Weezy

It was like, “you came in me, and I’m nervous, but also what a great day! This is coming together so well.” And every time I think I’m going to run out of shit I don’t.

Salty: You’re like, “thank you for your contribution.”.

Weezy: Exactly, your cumtribtion.

Mandii: I think dating has been up and down for us both. I’ve entered different parts of my life through the podcast. When we started, I was in my last year of school, I was interning and now I’m in a career. I’m now at a different space with what I want from men. Through talking on the show, I’ve learned what I want to have in my relationships and what I expect out of relationships. In the same way I told you I didn’t like feet in the beginning and now I do, just having conversations with other people has allowed me to get to know myself more. It’s amazing. I love it.

Salty: Can you talk about your decision to take the podcast on Patreon?

Weezy: When the podcast took off, we were recognizable, we were popular, but we weren’t getting ads. We were paying for studio time! We weren’t making money from it. People wanted more content, they wanted video, and we were like… we can’t do this, how the fuck are we going to manage this? My friend told me about the Chapo Trap House podcast, and how much money they made. Then, on the subway, a month later, I ran into one of the guys from Chapo Trap House on the subway. I thought, yo, this is a fucking sign. So we tried Patreon out. At the time we offered one episode per month for five bucks and then you could see video as well. Then, it shifted from this thing where we needed some help with cash, to, oh my god, we have a community. It might just be two dollars or five dollars or fifteen dollars, whatever tier they’re in, but we genuinely have people that are supporting our podcast. We couldn’t have gone on tour in ten cities without them.

Weezy: It can be really hard to read shitty things about yourself. The critics are harsh. In moments where I really want to be sincerely vulnerable on the podcast, I only do it during our Patreon episodes. It feels like diary entries. I love doing that.

Salty: You get to see the connection people have made through the show!

Weezy: Speaking of connection, I need to tell you about the best thing I’ve ever seen happen at a live show. In Atlanta, we had a person ask, “we know you guys were telling us where to meet people for threesomes… but, like be more specific” and the girl right next to them was a Unicorn.

Mandii: They all exchanged info after the show. It got to the point where the guy was sitting next to the Unicorn and the Unicorn said, “well, when I deal with couples, I’ve really only liked to go through the woman to make her feel comfortable” and the man got up and switched with his girlfriend to make sure that the girlfriend sat next to her.

Weezy: I also drank someone’s breast milk. I’m not proud of that but that did happen.

Salty: Oh my god, tell me more.

Weezy: At our live show, we were talking about paraphilias. We got into this conversation and lactating fetishes came up. There was a couple and the guy, in front of a crowd of almost three hundred fifty people, was like “yeah I drink her sometimes.” I asked what it tastes like, and the next thing you know, everyone was chanting “Weezy! Do it! Do it!” I took her in the corner because I want to make sure it was private. That’s the biggest part of our shows to me. I don’t want you to come to this show and get loose as fuck and then be embarrassed because you’re looking at it later. So I brought her in the corner and I definitely drank the breast milk… But then later, I found out you could get a disease that way. I’ve had accidents with guys with no condoms, and I’m just saying! I feel like you take the chance! I’m not proud of it but…

Salty: It’s another type of accident to risk and experience.

Weezy: When I told my mom she got really quiet… She’s like “so… Like out of a cup?”

Salty: And you’re like, not exactly.

Weezy: Like, no mom! From the source. From the fucking source. I will say what I discovered, I did not know it was gonna be that warm. I swear to god.

Salty: what’s in the future for 2019?

Weezy: We’ve been on Vice and we’ve been on HBO. We’re super excited for that TV opportunity because it seems like that’s where everybody kind of pushes us next. I don’t know how the TV world will respond to our personalities.

Mandii: It’s gonna be really exciting to see how they all react. I feel like Weezy and I are still at the very surface of what is to come. And that’s why we did the therapy episode on air, and that’s why her and I have really just been working through any differences we have. We see the strength of not only the brand but the messages behind it, what we can do for both of ourselves not only as a as a duo but individually.

Weezy: I’ve been shocked by the people that have told me they’ve heard of me. That’s how I know we’re growing and succeeding. I met this duo, I don’t want to say who, at this private party where you’re not allowed to approach anybody and I was freaking out. They knew my name, knew about WHOREIble decisions and I was like “I don’t understand! How do you know!” And like that part, celebrities thinking that you’re famous too, is fucking hilarious. I ride the subway, so.

Salty: Stars! They’re just like you.

Mandii: Yeah. But millionaires ride the subway. It’s New York!

Weezy: I’m telling you right now. Give me give me another 60 grand or so, I’m taking LESS subways.

Mandii: You’re still going to hop on the subway bruh.

Weezy: I’m just saying I want to know what my point of boujee will be. And I can’t wait for that.

Weezy: I said in a video, you know, “I feel like my love life will later be affected but I really feel like I’ve been hoeing on the frontlines for other people” Because, what else do we do besides tell all of our intimate fucking details and expose ourselves so that you guys can learn?


This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.

Follow Mandii and Weezy on Instagram.

Listen to the Whoreible Decisions podcast here.

Mandii and Weezy are photographed for Salty by Jess Pettway

Hair by Latisha Chong

Make up by Chardé Smith & Keiko Beiko

You can reach Em on her Instagram @emilyodesser or on her website emilyodesser.com.

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